Ran into this on the internet today. Somebody was having a bad day. This is quite toxic…and not entirely Biblical. It is good to hear that Mark has repented of this.
Source: Mark A. Driscoll
15 years ago I wrote some things on a Mars Hill discussion board on our website using a pseudonym. I quickly realized what I wrote and how I did it was wrong. We removed the entire section of the website a few months later and I addressed it publicly in a book I wrote six years later—calling it what it was: wrong.
I have taken full responsibility for those actions and will forever be ashamed by what I did, even as a 29 year-old preacher. What I did in this case back in 2000 is indefensible. It is also forgiven; and thank God, I’m not the man I was back then. I have learned hard lessons from this situation, as I have from other situations where I have done wrong things and God has had to deal with me.
However, just so nobody else makes the same mistakes we will examine it. My comments to follow. Not that I’m any smarter than him, just sometimes when you’re outside the situation you can pick up on things.
Source: Mark A. Driscoll (Circa. 2000)
“We live in a completely pussified nation. We could get every man, real man as opposed to pussified James Dobson knock-off crying Promise Keeping homoerotic worship loving mama’s boy sensitive emasculated neutered exact male replica evangellyfish, and have a conference in a phone booth. It all began with Adam, the first of the pussified nation, who kept his mouth shut and watched everything fall headlong down the slippery slide of hell/feminism when he shut his mouth and listened to his wife who thought Satan was a good theologian when he should have lead her and exercised his delegated authority as king of the planet. As a result, he was cursed for listening to his wife and every man since has been his pussified sit quietly by and watch a nation of men be raised by bitter penis envying burned feministed single mothers who make sure that Johnny grows up to be a very nice woman who sits down to pee. So, Johnny hits youth group one day to hear from his pussified youth pastor that he should perfect his virginity and dating skills. So Johnny tries to be a loving and patient man who looks for a nice woman like mom who will whip him into shape and beat him into submission so that he can one day join a men’s accountability group and learn how to keep his urges under control, which just causes him to be earn a B.A. in masturbation, M.A. in porno, and PhD in knuckleheadology as Johnny is now so terrified of women and his own penis that he sits in his room alone each night on the internet hoping to get some (with the occasional “falling into sin” with a woman as they inevitabaly cross “boundaries” of intimacy) because he’s so afraid of women and has no idea how to take one, or love one, or serve one, or take one to bed and make the Song of Songs sing again. One day Johnny finally gives in to the pressure of his pre-humpers singles ministry and gets stuck with some gal left on the shelf long after her expiration date that is just like dear old mom who wants him to shut up like Adam, take his beating, and join a church men’s group that is really a woman’s group in disguise complete with cookies and crying and antidepressants to cope with the insanity. Poor Johnny is by now so completely whacked that he’s afraid of having kids and hold off his taking on any more responsibility as long as he can because Johnny is a boy trapped in a man’s body walking around in a world of other boys all trying to keep their pee pee behind their zipper and do just like their momma told them and be good women. And so the culture and families and churches sprint to hell because the men aren’t doing their job and the feminists continue their rant that it’s all our fault and we should just let them be pastors and heads of homes and run the show. And the more we do, the more hell looks like a good place because at least a man is in charge, has a bit of order and let’s men spit and scratch as needed. And all their whining and fighting is nothing more than further evidence that we are still kings and unless we do our job everyone and everything is getting screwed except Johnny (metaphorically speaking of course). I know many of the women will disagree, and they like Eve should not speak on this matter. And, many men will also disagree, which is further proof of the pussified epidemic havingnow become air born and universal. Pussified men are inarguably legion. Nothing short of an exorcism is needed. now become air born and universal. Pussified men are inarguably legion. Nothing short of an exorcism is needed.”
Mark, you need Jesus. (So do I, so does everyone) That’s what’s needed. Seriously, what is your problem with James Dobson? He’s a sinner too like the rest of us, otherwise Jesus would never have needed to show up and save us.
Not sure what the problem is with sitting down to urinate….beats having to clean it up after you’re done.
What are you personally doing to help poor Johnny overcome his sins?
Proverbs says that we are not to awaken love until it so desires. Perhaps he is waiting to, with God’s help, get over his addictions before he pursues a wife. There’s nothing wrong with that. Wouldn’t you rather marry someone who had cleaned the majority of her skeletons out of her closet? Or are we to get married as soon as possible so we can supposedly enter a world of constant sexual pleasure where nobody gets any other work done. Sex is good in the proper married context but there are other husband responsibilities to keep in check too.
The Bible holds women in a much higher regard than you have in this monologue. The man is the head of the household but that doesn’t mean he can’t discuss things with her. Corinthians says that a woman is supposed to submit to the man whom she is married to …not necessarily just any man (as you yourself would later mention in one of your sermons). Husbands are supposed to love their wives and Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her. That love manifests itself in many different ways, including your favourite, sexual intercourse. The other ways to love your wife should not be overlooked.
As for Adam, you or I wouldn’t have done any better in his position because we were all born into sin. At least Adam had some time without it.
I’m not advocating extended adolescence as a good thing, because it’s not. Fathers need to have expectations and train their sons up in righteousness but to just be continually angry at people all the time is just going to make them want to kill themselves and that won’t solve anything.
Jesus loves you Mark, don’t ever forget that.